May 31, 2006

Elementary FAQ

We have now sold several thousand stems, so we thought it was probably time to create a FAQ to help out the very small number of owners who have had a problem figuring out how to get the most out of it. Product designs that challenge a long running standard can sometimes have a learning curve for some users, but with a little patience, a proper installation of the Elementary Stem should easily become like second nature to anyone who uses it.

Please remember that we stand behind this product one hundred percent. If YOU aren’t happy, then WE aren’t happy either. As usual, you are welcome to contact us at anytime if you have further questions.

Questions and Answers:

Q. When I disassemble my bike to transport it by car or plane, the stem falls apart and needs to be set-up again each time. Is there any way to avoid this?

A. YES, and it’s very simple. The stem comes supplied with a short cardboard tube in the fork hole. When taking the stem off during disassembly, you should loosen the bolt (as necessary) and place the cardboard part on top of the fork’s steerer tube. At this point you should then be able to slide the stem straight up off the fork and onto the waiting cardboard tube. You can then re-tighten the bolt slightly to keep everything together during transportation. These steps should be reversed during re-assembly. If you accidentally threw the tube away, you can use a bit of a broom handle, some plastic pipe, a passing snake, etc. It is also useful to make a mark on the bars and the stem so you can line everything up with the same angle again…


Q. Which parts do I grease, and which parts DON’T I grease?

A. As with any product, you should grease the parts that need to slide, and keep it off the pieces that you want to grip. With the Elementary, you should grease BOTH of the angled faces on the central wedges. Grease should also be applied to the threads and head of the bolt. Avoid getting grease on the clamping faces that are making direct contact with the handlebar and fork steerer tube.


Q. What is the best grease to use?

A. Any thick grease is fine. The best choice would be a specific anti-seize compound like the ones with a copper or aluminum base.


Q. I hear you need a minimum amount of steerer tube to run the stem. How much do I need?

A. The stem needs at least 36mm of exposed steerer tube to work properly (measured out of the top of the headset and spacers).


Q. The stem’s steerer tube bore seems to be way too tight for my fork. What can I do?

A. Fork steerer tube sizes can vary wildly in diameter. The stem will easily work with well over 99% of the forks currently on the market. If the fit is excessively tight, have a shop open the diameter slightly with something like emery paper. If there is still a difficult fit after this, please contact Odyssey directly and we will provide you with the necessary assistance on this matter.


Q. Can I run the stem upside down (with the logo on the bottom)?

A. The logo side should ALWAYS be facing up. Running the stem upside down will have a negative impact on the stem’s performance, and may damage the U-Frame. The handlebar height is at its lowest when the stem is in the proper “logo-side-up” position.


Q. Will this thing crush my bars?

A. The stem is certainly powerful enough to crush many bars, but you would almost need to be TRYING to crush them. It really isn’t something that will happen more easily than with a normal stem. If you stick with the wrench that is provided, then you will be fine. However, you should NEVER use a wrench with a long extension that's intended to generate an excessive amount of torque.

Q. Can I get a rear wedge with/without gyro tabs to replace the original one?

A. Yes. All of the inner wedge pieces are readily available for sale.

Q. How tight should the bolt be? I’ve tightened it to show the threads like in the instructions and it slips…

A. Since bars and forks vary wildly in diameter, you cannot always judge the stems tightness by counting the exposed threads. This part in the instructions tends to be over cautious, but as the text states, it’s only intended as a VERY LOOSE POINT OF REFERENCE. The best gauge to go by is this; You should tighten the stem until the SUPPLIED ALLEN KEY feels hard to turn. “Traditional” stem bolts can go from lose to tight in just one or two turns. However, the Elementary works on a ten-to-one advantage, so it will take ten times as many turns to come fully tight. Just keep tightening and it will slowly clamp up. When the SUPPLIED ALLEN KEY is as hard to turn as it is on a normal stem bolt, then you know it’s tight.


Q. My bars kept slipping, and I tightened it up more, but now it still slips?

A. If you run ANY stem lose, then the handlebar’s knurling will chew tiny bits of aluminum off the stem. This isn’t a big deal, but those bits of aluminum can act like tiny ball bearings, causing the bars to still slip even when the bolt is fully tightened. In this case you should take it apart and thoroughly clean everything to remove all loose debris.


Q. I did all this stuff and it STILL slips!

A. Once you have eliminated the above issues there are two remaining possibilities. Either the bars have been crushed to a different shape by the previous stem (so when the Elementary clamps the bars, the diameter just slowly returns towards the correct shape, preventing the stem from gripping them right). OR, another possibility is that the knurling on the bars is unable to grip the stem properly due to excess paint - or because there isn’t any knurling at all. Paint can act as a lubricant, so even if you think you can make out the shape of the knurling through the finish, it can still prevent the stem from getting a good grip. Clean the paint off the knurling and try again. These problems can effect ANY “traditional” stem in the same way.

Q: Can I run the stem without my pre-load bolt?

A: As with any stem, this is not a good idea. The preload bolt is an important fail-safe and helps to keep the headset tight. It is also a good place to keep it so you don’t lose it.

Q: Isn’t the exposed steerer tube going to rust?

A: This tends to only occur when the bike is subjected to overly harsh environmental conditions. For those still concerned about it, you can put your worrying mind at ease by simply covering the exposed steerer tube with a sticker or an exceptionally thin film of grease AFTER the final assembly has been completed.

Q: The back looks too sharp. Won’t that hurt my knees?

A: The back of the stem is much more compact than most six bolt stems, so it’s likely to be further away from your knees to begin with. The rounded edges help make it more forgiving and far less likely to cut you too. We’ve considered offering aftermarket pieces to “fill the gap” in the back of the stem, but nearly all of our test riders have been against this, saying that it’s totally unnecessary. Some of these riders have been on the stem for three years now, so they’re more familiar with it than anyone.

Posted by Jim B at May 31, 2006 04:38 PM
Comments

Cool.

Posted by: VIGIL! at May 31, 2006 06:11 PM

dose the stem feel like a normal front load stem.or an up load ones.

Posted by: poppy at May 31, 2006 07:17 PM

thanks for all these wicked updates. you guys rock. im even more stoked to buy your stuff than i was when i first saw it. keep it up!!!

Posted by: chris at May 31, 2006 07:42 PM

yo guys whats up with the odyssey bmxsummercomp in Portugal???

Posted by: bisnaga at May 31, 2006 08:03 PM

Yeah man, I've had no problem's What so ever with my elem stem's! I just read the instructions over a couple of times and the stem is a breeze to assemble.

Posted by: LOSFLYBIKES at May 31, 2006 08:30 PM

... hello im living Brasil! and i read a news of elentary, but one interrogation!!
this stems is a arests of bars FLY PANTERA? because this bar is a diamiter or small than others bars!

answer my question plis! thanks!

sorry my inglesh linguage but im studing it!

Posted by: Rodrigo at May 31, 2006 09:29 PM

Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry I am really having problems understanding the question.

Are you asking if it WILL fit Fly Pantera bars? or are you having problems getting the two to work together?

It should work with all bars, even those with a slightly small clamp section. If the central wedges are meeting in the middle before fully clamped then you can make a thin shim to go between the central wedges and the rear wedge to provice more adjustment.

I hope this helps, if not, why not email me direct.

G.

Posted by: gsport george at June 1, 2006 01:51 AM

You guys are so sweet. I plan on getting an Elementary when I build up my next bike. I'll be sure to read the directions a few times over and do everything just as it ought to be done.

Congrats on the success of this stem.

Posted by: Maxi at June 1, 2006 03:59 AM

Worthless. Everything mentioned here is either common sense or already pointed out in the manual.

I REALLY miss one point: How do I stop that permanent creaking that comes from my perfectly installed stem?
Apparently tightening down the pre-load bolt a little more after setting the stem up or when creaking already has appeared can stop it for a few minutes. But that doesn't help on the long run

Posted by: Cornelius at June 1, 2006 06:01 AM

Creaking is coming from some metal on metal. Try copper slip instead of regular grease, that stopped my creaking. You can also grease(copper slip) the top and bottom of all the wedges where they come in contact with the U-Frame. Make sure the bolt and backside of the bolt head is greased.

Like any problem, you can always call/email us if you are at your wits end.

Posted by: Jim B at June 1, 2006 09:00 AM

Hey Jim B. How about 28t Battle Gear sprocket's I'll buy a couple.

Posted by: LOSFLYBIKES at June 1, 2006 09:11 AM

I have one never creaked, never sliped, never failed. I love it.

Posted by: Kevin L. at June 1, 2006 10:12 AM

plain and simple...
odyssey rules. i love the way you guys at odsy cover the bases... good job yo!
i havent had any issues w/my elementary stem, i read thought it anyways.

wombolts?
hey are they done yet...
is it going to be soon?

Posted by: 3MTA3/pokertron at June 1, 2006 11:53 AM

@Jim B.
Yes, I've always greased all surfaces where metal could scratch on metal exept for those where the bars/steertube meet the stem.
I will try copper paste next time and e-mail you the results. Thanks!

Posted by: Cornelius at June 1, 2006 12:56 PM

Mine has never slipped. Good stuff.

Posted by: Kyle at June 1, 2006 01:05 PM

why is't beringer and aitken don't use it.

Posted by: poppy at June 1, 2006 02:05 PM

Beringer and Aitken have many other sponsors and access to parts other than just Odyssey stuff. They may prefer another stem, there are tons of reasons someone might prefer one stem over the other. It isn't like we are all supposed to just WANT the Elementary.

Posted by: Maxi at June 1, 2006 03:15 PM

Everybody on the team has different sponsors and different obligations to those sponsors. Its diverse and different for each rider, and thats how we like it.

Posted by: Jim B at June 2, 2006 09:16 AM

beringer and aitken have to use a stem provided by s&m and fit.

Posted by: mike at June 2, 2006 11:31 AM

Jim, just saw you recently on Feul TV's "Daily Habit." Thanx for some of the tips on bike set-ups. What's better: 33t-12t set-up or 30t-11t set-up?

Posted by: C.Du8 at June 2, 2006 04:42 PM

i have an elementary any way.

Posted by: poppy at June 2, 2006 07:42 PM

hey dudes this has nothing to do with the stem but i was jsut wondering y dose use make the gyro with knarps on the bottom....

Posted by: jason at June 3, 2006 01:53 AM

Hey could you give me any tips for installing the 41 Thermal crank arms? I greased the spindle and the crank threads, and am tightening the outer bolt but it is hard as hell to force the crank arms on. I have basically destroyed one outer bolt, not because I am an idiot and stripped it, but because the metal of the bolt can't handle all of the torque.

Posted by: carl at June 3, 2006 11:50 AM

Dose the Elementary stem makes the bars highr then normal stem for example caolition povha.

Posted by: hamad at June 4, 2006 09:58 AM

Ahahah, I love it! But it should have read:

"We have now sold several thousand stems, so we thought it was probably time to create a FAQ to help out all of the idiots, that where too stupid to put this thing together, even though it came with a little peice of paper, telling you exactly what to do..."

Seriously though, this stem is amazing. I've had mine for quite some time now and I love it! I'd like to say a big 'good shit!' to george and odyssey for making such a unique, strong and light stem! Cheers.

Posted by: Paul at June 5, 2006 07:24 AM

WOMBOLT QUESTION'S....

are they going to be able to run left side drive with the wombolts?

i thought about it and since the are 2 peice, wont they have to be rsd/lsd specific?

and will there be any strength differences between the 19mm and 22, say the 22mm having a larger diameter be stronger?

and finally and chance they will be shipped at the end of june?

thanks

Posted by: 3MTA3/pokertron at June 5, 2006 08:02 AM

C.du8- I would say a 30-11 would be better, because it is lighter and more out of the way. 28-10 is what I ride.

Jason- no such Gyro. The cables on the bottom can be adjusted to any length, so bottom knarps are not needed.

Carl- Call or email Nuno, that sounds like a warranty issue.

Hamad- The elementary will raise the bars slightly higher than any drop stem where the bars mount lower than the bottom plane of the stem.

3mta3- Yes the Wombolts will be LHD/RHD specific. Right now I have RHD specific on backwards(LHD), with the splindles switched over in my pedals. The 22 is stronger/lighter than the 19mm. Ship date is unknown as of now, sorry. End of June is only a possibility.

Posted by: Jim B at June 6, 2006 10:36 AM

thanks jim b.
word. just wanted to make sure.
i too have ran backwards cranks.
the first time i switched out the spindles, second time i just ran backwards j.c. pedals. i was feeling in at first, but my foot slipped off and the damage to the foot took me out for 2 weeks, never the less, i wont be running backwards pedals...

i had to do this because i bought some RNC cranks
and went though like 3 set of cranks (thank god for warranties) well the went under and now im stuck with a bunch of random rnc parts to make a complete set (which sometimes includes running a left side arm on the right) and i am over it!
i really cant wait for this new crankset to drop.

well thanks again for the info, still dig your bike geezo!

Posted by: 3MTA3/pokertron at June 6, 2006 11:40 AM


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